EliteFitness.com Bodybuilding ForumsWhat is the point in taking steroids, unless you're going to keep the gains from your cycle afterwards? But do not fear young padawan; there are steroids which can give you permanent gains…even long after you've stopped cycling can you keep steroids gains compound. Many people use bulking steroids and look huge on-cycle, but shrink post-cycle. Can you keep steroids gains is due to certain steroids hgh bjj water retention, meaning the muscles will temporarily fill up with water making them look fuller than usualwhich will diminish post-cycle. By taking dianabol solo cycle that don't cause much fluid retention, you'll know that if you gain 30lbs — you'll be keeping most of this weight. Testosterone will generally result in little water retention, compared to other gzins agents such as dianabol and anadrol. Similarly, trenbolone won't cause you to hold any water weight, meaning you'll nearly all of your gains when bulking.
How to KEEP GAINS from steroids
There are currently 5 users browsing this thread. Anabolic steroids, bodybuilding discussion forums. Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4 Last Jump to page: Results 1 to 25 of This is a longish post but many of you will greatly benefit from reading it so try to bare with my "blathering" First of all I would like to stress that I and my endochrinologist do not believe one can keep gains above ones natural max, or that level of muscular developement that can be held to without steroids.
In other words, I think one will always shrink down to the size that can be held to with ones own T production. In reality what usually happens is that many not all steroid users fall BELOW their natural max within months of discontinuing steroids for one or all of the following reasons If one does not know how to train effectively without steroids then one will rapidly overtrain and drop below natural max in time, not to mention the strong possibilty of injury which also will hinder gainskeeping.
You can, however, makes gains well above your natural max while on steroids and then with prudent use of ancillaries, and proper natural training, hold to your natural max well into ones 50's and perhaps early 60's.
As an estimate of natural max Now you will recover hpta without hcg, and fairly quickly if you truly have not suffered from much testicular atrophy, but not as rapidly as you could and that will cost you at least some gains. HCG, human chorionic gonadotropin, is a hormone taken from placentas during pregnancy.
It limics the action of LH from the pituitary and stimualtes testosterone production in the testes. If the testes are shut down they will shrink, it's as simple as that. The degree of shrinkage depends upon the length of time "on" androgens. Some guys literally see their testes atrophy down to raisen size.. Others see modest shrinkage and a few say they see NO shrinkage. In the latter this is BS and has to due with poor pre-cycle assessmant of testicular size As little as mg a weekof testosterone administered exogenously in the form of injections will shut you down in as little as a few weeks.
The hypothalamus rapidly senses a low androgen level and pumps out GnRH and this tells the pituitary to release LH for testicular stimulation of T production The testes take a fair amount of time to "get going" after a long sleep and as a result T levels post cycle can be low for months if greatly atrophied.
This obviously results in a rapid loss of gains, not to mention phycological isssues such as depression as well as physical issues like fatigue. Take it at iu's every 3rd or 4th day while on cycle. Some use it post cycle at higher doses after their testes have already shrunk.
This method works but I do not believe that it is the best way to use HCG. In this method one injects a high dose of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin HCG right near the end ofa cycle but before clomid. The opening dose is often iu's followed sometimes by another 4 days latter and then iu's every 4th or 5th day and then the last shot is usually only iu's SERMS block the affect of estrogen at the hypothalamus and since estrogen is highly inhibitory this blocking affect allows for greater LH production.
This "greater LH production" strongly stimulates the testes to produce testosterone. If you use only gear that does NOT aromatize to estrogen then you don't have to worry about the inhibitory affect of estrogen post cycle from the steroid So you must have to have a good grasp on the half lifes of the various gear you use.
You also have to be aware of the how the dose taken factors into the equation. That mg is about mg of pure testosterone minus ester weight and you can now begin SERM therapy because that level is near what a normal T output would be slightly higher though NOTE: There is no penalty for starting a SERM too early but there is one for starting too late. Search for half lifes of other gear in other threads on the boards.
On opening "SERM day", post cycle, you want to do a "loading dose" of about mg of clomid in divided doses in order to get blood levels up pronto. Thanx to all the glossy magazines out there very very few bro's really know how to train for gains without steroids. Dare I say that not a few of you turned to gear simply because you could not make very good gains as a natural. Guys these pro's are so out of touch with what works for the typical man training naturally that it isn't funny.
These guys are genetic freaks on a ton of gear Not only that but they don't have jobs outside the gym to drain them either! Most guys continue to train in a very similar fashion while off gear as they did while on gear, especially in regard the number of days in the gym each week, and this is a HUGE ERROR. Many many guys simply overtrain after they stop the gear and loose huge amounts of muscle and many actually end up below their natural max potential in time. Others do not even bother training at all without juice!
I went to a Dorian Yates seminar a few years ago and he mentioned all this. Dorians recommendations in regards to training without gear where almost identicle to mine. Dorian said that most trainees should train no more frequently than three days a week on a three way split while "off" steroids and that all should use a low volume of sets and work primarily on the big basic compound movements with very hard work.
Most men are genetically typical in the recuperation department I have good genetics for bodybuilding and I could train in almost any manner while on gear and gain well but even while on gear I choose to train infrequently, every other day on a three way split while "on" and Mon-Wed and FRI on a three way split while "off", and with low volume and very hard work I have other things to do in my busy life and 2.
I make even better gains and get even bigger with this style of training For those that are in the gym 6 days a week and like sets per body part and are making good gains then more power to ya Remember you easy gainers Notice the focus on the big basic compound movements.
Dare I say that maybe you too would do better by cutting volume a bit, increasing effort, focusing on the big basics and spending a little less time in the gym each week.
For those that gain pretty well why not reduce your time in the gym to the following 4 way split that Dorian Yates made popular.
Less time in the gym and more time off recuperating just might be the ticket for you. I usually train every other day on a three way split while "on" but when "feeling my oats" I sometimes train in this Yates split.
The KEY is hard work and a focus on progressive poundage gains in small to tiny jumps weekly. Incline bench 30 degree or some type of incline presss.
Best overall chest developer.. Try to curl the hips upwards as the knees come up above the waist. I like the hammer dip machine 2 sets of Toe press in leg press machine. Slow and full for 3- 4 sets of reps. Works the entire calf including soleus. Some type of row Works the entire deltoid complex including the rear head Upright row with straps. These sets should take you a long time to complete with very high effort. Hard squating and deadlifting make you ananbolic and help gains all over your body.
Do one warm up set with this weight Then load up your max weight for This activates the powerful glutes, hips and hams and allows for more weight to be squated and more quad stimulation. By far the best ham worker and a very good erector movement too. Now crawl to your post workout protein shake!
Hard gainers have a very limited ability to recover from weight lifting and believe me hard gainers are not rare at all and are far more common than easy gainers. Many of you would do best by limiting the working sets to per body part and that means fewer exercises, especially isolation exercises Try to progressively add small and then tiny bits of weight to the bars weekly or every two weeks Get some small plates www.
After failing to get even tiny increases in weight for several weeks reduce the working sets OR let the reps drop to sets of When progress haults again take 10 full day off from weights Once a training cycle is out of the easy few weeks at the beginning you want to make your last rep honestly the last rep that you could do with good form, and if you tried to do another rep you would likely get stuck positive failure. This is harder than most men train, especially in the squat.
Again, weight progression in small and then tiny jumps is the key to solid progress www. I gave you enough already You want big pecs in all regions and triceps then add 75 pounds for reps to your declines or dips with elbows out. You want big triceps then focus on adding 60 pounds to the overhead press and dips with elbows in CARDIO limit the cardio to no more than 3 times a week for 30 minutes at pop or it will eat into your recuperative powers.
Eat small meals a day two of which can be a protein drink. It's important to always eat some carbs and protein after a workout but more so while off. Sleep is always important too but even more important when off. Best of gains and health to you all. Last edited by Realgains; at TrainInsane88 , tns and willpower like this. Estrogen - A naturally occurring hormone responsible for female characteristics. Dosage - The amount of a specific drug you are taking.
One of the best posts I've read in awhile. I am just telling you how to recover in the fastest way possible for gainskeeping reasons. Another one for the Articles forum